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Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:26 am
According to him, by the end of the year, Tsifra plans to find an anchor customer for the pilot implementation of this system and prepare a full financial and economic justification. "That is, we expect to form a minimum viable product in 10 months. We need about 200 million rubles for this. We expect to complete the pilot project in six months and parallelize it with pilot industrial operation. And by 2025, if the critical factors that I indicated are implemented, we are ready to enter the market. This is a great potential for replication. There are more than 300 treatment facilities in cities with a population of 100 thousand people," the developer noted.
Kirill Kireev, Deputy Director greece whatsapp resource for Development of the Digital Transformation of Industries direction at the Digital Economy ANO, proposed including the development in the portfolio of projects of the Housing and Utilities Information Center. "I think that at the next meeting, colleagues should be invited, listened to, and if so, then package it into a project," noted Kirill Kireev.
Boris Makevnin, Director of Digitalization and Information Technology at PJSC T Plus and Head of the Housing and Utilities Information Center, told ComNews that the wastewater treatment plant management system offered by Tsifra could be of interest to the Ministry of Natural Resources, the Russian Environmental Operator, and companies involved in improving the quality of wastewater treatment in Russia. At the same time, according to him, for T Plus this would be a non-core investment."
"For us, this is a non-core business, we do not see a direct impact on the business. For us, this will be some kind of third-party venture investment. We do not have our own venture fund. It is important to understand that we have a high cost of capital, because we also operate in many ways, as a continuous cycle enterprise, with borrowed funds, and therefore our money has a certain value. This is a very long-term project, we are not designed for this," noted Boris Makevnin.
Alexey Sidoryuk, Director of the Digital Transformation of Industries Department at the Digital Economy ANO, added that Tsifra could receive some funding from the Skolkovo Foundation, which has a program for co-financing new industry solutions.
"Part of this amount - up to 100 million rubles - can be taken from the Skolkovo Foundation. For every invested private ruble, it issues one state ruble. In this regard, if this is the first industry implementation, then such a support measure can be used," Alexey Sidoryuk reminded.
Why do crustaceans and bacteria need artificial intelligence?
Director of the Agency for the Development of Municipal Infrastructure of the Moscow Region (GKU MO "ARKI") Vadim Karetnikov told ComNews that the region has a need for new technological solutions to increase the productivity of treatment facilities, but he named the economic efficiency of the project as the main selection criterion.
"The worst thing about treatment facilities is their high cost. If Tsifra has some technology that will reduce this cost, then there will be no need to look for anyone - there will be a queue for these systems. But if the cost is the same, only with artificial intelligence, then no one will need it," noted Vadim Karetnikov.
He added that before being implemented in the Moscow region, such a system would have to be studied and approved by the scientific and technical council under the regional Ministry of Housing and Public Utilities.
"We need such a system. But we need to know the parameters - what is the productivity of this system, the degree of purification, what composition of wastewater it is designed for. More information, then we can understand whether it can be discussed at the scientific and technical council at the Ministry of Housing and Public Utilities of the Moscow Region," added the director of the State Institution of the Moscow Region "ARKI".
At the same time, he emphasized that almost all wastewater has long been purified using biological technologies. "Crayfish and bacteria have been doing this all their lives. There is nothing new in this. I don't understand why artificial intelligence is needed there. This is a normal technological process. The task of an automatic system is for a person not to understand anything, and for it to work on its own. And this already exists and is in operation," added Vadim Karetnikov.
Kirill Kireev, Deputy Director greece whatsapp resource for Development of the Digital Transformation of Industries direction at the Digital Economy ANO, proposed including the development in the portfolio of projects of the Housing and Utilities Information Center. "I think that at the next meeting, colleagues should be invited, listened to, and if so, then package it into a project," noted Kirill Kireev.
Boris Makevnin, Director of Digitalization and Information Technology at PJSC T Plus and Head of the Housing and Utilities Information Center, told ComNews that the wastewater treatment plant management system offered by Tsifra could be of interest to the Ministry of Natural Resources, the Russian Environmental Operator, and companies involved in improving the quality of wastewater treatment in Russia. At the same time, according to him, for T Plus this would be a non-core investment."
"For us, this is a non-core business, we do not see a direct impact on the business. For us, this will be some kind of third-party venture investment. We do not have our own venture fund. It is important to understand that we have a high cost of capital, because we also operate in many ways, as a continuous cycle enterprise, with borrowed funds, and therefore our money has a certain value. This is a very long-term project, we are not designed for this," noted Boris Makevnin.
Alexey Sidoryuk, Director of the Digital Transformation of Industries Department at the Digital Economy ANO, added that Tsifra could receive some funding from the Skolkovo Foundation, which has a program for co-financing new industry solutions.
"Part of this amount - up to 100 million rubles - can be taken from the Skolkovo Foundation. For every invested private ruble, it issues one state ruble. In this regard, if this is the first industry implementation, then such a support measure can be used," Alexey Sidoryuk reminded.
Why do crustaceans and bacteria need artificial intelligence?
Director of the Agency for the Development of Municipal Infrastructure of the Moscow Region (GKU MO "ARKI") Vadim Karetnikov told ComNews that the region has a need for new technological solutions to increase the productivity of treatment facilities, but he named the economic efficiency of the project as the main selection criterion.
"The worst thing about treatment facilities is their high cost. If Tsifra has some technology that will reduce this cost, then there will be no need to look for anyone - there will be a queue for these systems. But if the cost is the same, only with artificial intelligence, then no one will need it," noted Vadim Karetnikov.
He added that before being implemented in the Moscow region, such a system would have to be studied and approved by the scientific and technical council under the regional Ministry of Housing and Public Utilities.
"We need such a system. But we need to know the parameters - what is the productivity of this system, the degree of purification, what composition of wastewater it is designed for. More information, then we can understand whether it can be discussed at the scientific and technical council at the Ministry of Housing and Public Utilities of the Moscow Region," added the director of the State Institution of the Moscow Region "ARKI".
At the same time, he emphasized that almost all wastewater has long been purified using biological technologies. "Crayfish and bacteria have been doing this all their lives. There is nothing new in this. I don't understand why artificial intelligence is needed there. This is a normal technological process. The task of an automatic system is for a person not to understand anything, and for it to work on its own. And this already exists and is in operation," added Vadim Karetnikov.